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« Thread Started on Aug 1, 2006, 2:34pm » | |
[GAME CRASHES TO DESKTOP OR EVEN REBOOTS PC,VERY RANDOMLY]
well, as usual in windows, programs collapse.
Somehow a setting changed, cuz my pc ran perfectly BF2 a while back, but not anymore. its not just BF2 but lets say it is.
iv installed the latest gfx driver nvidia geforce 6200 (agp8x [i did turn it on in dxdiag] 256MB ddr)
iv tried to install latest sound driver for a soundblaster 5.1 live digital. somehow it says i dont have any soundblaster board installed (but i dont see any problem with it)
iv installed dx9.c (again)
iv changed ram drive converting stuff for self-management in all drives, reads 2709MB from all drives.
my ram is 512+256=768ram
p4 2.4 (erm somehow i think its a 1.8) <-yeah not good, tho no reason to not run BF2 perfectly
i changed my screen refresh from 60hertz to 70
i remember having a problem 1st times i tried the game, i think i messed with dxdiag and it worked fine, tho i dont recall and its not working, can someone help me?
PS : about BF2 :i did uninstalled all and installed again, i did lowered all settings down, sound is at hardware LOW, all display settings r LOW or OFF, running the game at 800x600[60hertz]
PS : about ram :seems i had a sdr card problem, most likely was the slot, somewhen it only show 256ram, i switched the cards and only shown 512ram, i cleaned the other slot and made the 'violence-method-that-makes-machines-work' holding pressure on the card. switched on and had 768ram again, and reads 3453MB from all drives.
NOOOOOOOoooooooo, game still crashes!
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| | Re: HELP! might be ram problem
« Reply #1 on Aug 1, 2006, 7:07pm » | |
I will give you some tips but I know you have not secured PC at all
so here is a posible reason :
For some people, setting up a secure network is so daunting, they give up and run it wide open, ie. unsecured. I also hear people say, "I just surf the web and have nothing valuable on my computer. Why should I bother with security?" Good question, but here are some equally good answers
1) Your network resources are exposed to unknown
Unless you have taken precautions to limit access to network resources and shares, intruders can do anything trusted, known users can do.
Files, directories, or entire hard drives can be copied, changed or entirely deleted. Or worse, keystroke loggers, Trojans, zombie clients or other programs can be installed and left to work for their unknown masters.
users
2) All of your network traffic can be captured and examined
3)Your Internet connection can be used for illegal, immoral or objectionable activities
If your open PC is used to transfer bootleg movies or music, you could possibly be the recipient of a lawsuit notice from the RIAA. In a more extreme case, if your Internet connection were used to upload child pornography to an FTP site, or used to host the server itself, you could face more serious trouble. Your Internet connection could also be used by spammers, DoS extortionists and purveyors
(this is from one prestige page)
I think you have zombie PC 
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| | Re: HELP! might be ram problem
« Reply #2 on Aug 2, 2006, 12:58pm » | |
nooo i cleaned pc, that cant be the reason, must be something like powersupply, ram or gfx problem
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« Reply #3 on Aug 2, 2006, 1:10pm » | |
Well it sound like a powersupply problem. It doesn't cost mutch though and you'll be sure it not PS if the problem keeps going.
Eventhough if it's a RAM problem you usualy got an error message that tell you the offset where the error occured and i seriously doubd that your pc will reboot just because the OS can't write some bytes into the ram.
Ho heya btw
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| | Re: HELP! might be ram problem
« Reply #4 on Aug 2, 2006, 1:20pm » | |
so what can i do? buy new ps? someone gave me the hint that if its overheating (wich seems not) coolers would be enough.
what shall i do?
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| | Re: HELP! might be ram problem
« Reply #5 on Aug 2, 2006, 5:00pm » | |
Dl linux diag live CD and boot it. Try to put system under some stress tests. If all goes well you may be preaty shure that only yours operating system is damaged.
http://www.stresslinux.org/
If tests fails power supply is verry likely to be damaged.
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« Reply #6 on Aug 2, 2006, 5:21pm » | |
but then i need linux right? i took some stress tests to other games, my pc allways pass, plus if i was able to play BF2 b4 and without any problem theres no reason in the world to not let me now, something must have been changed, iv tried all settings as i listed above, and i tried to replace the hardware again. most likely its power supply, all points to that.
but still, what can i do? same question than last post
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| | Re: HELP! might be ram problem
« Reply #7 on Aug 3, 2006, 1:07am » | |
Well if all point to PS... change it.
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« Reply #8 on Aug 3, 2006, 5:20am » | |
Its not power supply in case you say only BTF is crashing.
prehaps yours GR is owerheating or you have some software problem.
and if you DL that CD you dont need to install it you just
burn .iso file to CD,
Boot from CD
and use stress tests
(this CDs dont need HDD that meants you dont have to install anythin it all, it runs from CD.
It loads whole operating system from CD and it wont modyfy nor add any file to your HDD)
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« Reply #9 on Aug 3, 2006, 1:02pm » | |
Just to clear a things:
Software:
- Do you only get these crash when you run the game?
- Do you get these crash when running any game?
- Do you only get these crash when you go fullscreen?
- Do you get these crash even in windows?
- Is it totaly random or it usualy crash after some minits?
- If you have extra driver for GFX/sound/network disable them.
- You can trust windows for virtual memory..let windows manage it.
Hardware:
- Did you add a new component to your computer recently?
- Is there a component just next your GFX card that might disturd the cooler of the processor?
- Did you try with an other GFX card (can be even older doesn't matter)
- Did you try to unplug some component (HDD, extra cards) to lower the power cost?
Misc:
- Did you buy the game *cough*
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| | Re: HELP! might be ram problem
« Reply #10 on Aug 3, 2006, 2:24pm » | |
update drivers.
Also might be an overheating problem (the random reboot).
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| | Re: HELP! might be ram problem
« Reply #11 on Aug 3, 2006, 3:07pm » | |
@cloud:read carefully, i did updated all drivers excepting sound one. and i dont think it overheats, tho who knows im no computer god.
Quote:Just to clear a things:
Software:
- Do you only get these crash when you run the game?
A:any game, i didnt see any problem in programs but it might crash with autoCAD any heavy programs.
- Do you get these crash when running any game?
A:only on heavier ones, tho it does crash DoD now too, very randomly and not as often as BF2.
- Do you only get these crash when you go fullscreen?
A: no its all ok, for example, in BF2 i get to the game, i even can shoot few americans, doesnt crash when loading, even in in-game loads, so it points to overheating or ram overdose (wich is highly unprobable).
- Do you get these crash even in windows?
A:if u mean if it reboots, doesnt reboot everytime.
- Is it totaly random or it usualy crash after some minits?
A: It crashes randomly as i said, its not on loainds or anything, happens in-game and its not, for example, when i make headshots on americans and theires helmets jump off, as in very complicated animation lol.
- If you have extra driver for GFX/sound/network disable them.
A:what do u mean? 2 drivers? no i have 1 soundcard 1 gfxcard, wtf?
- You can trust windows for virtual memory..let windows manage it.
A:na lol, besides gets more memory space lettings the drives managing it.
Hardware:
- Did you add a new component to your computer recently?
A:last hardware i added, i think it was the gfx card, and everything worked perfectly.
- Is there a component just next your GFX card that might disturd the cooler of the processor?
A:dunno how your computer is, tho might is a pile of cards with 1 cooler only for all of the addies, 1 cooler for the cpu, another cooler below powersupply, and..thats it i guess.
- Did you try with an other GFX card (can be even older doesn't matter)
A:i had a geforce mx440 i guess..i cant recall, one sucky old gfx card, did work with BF2 very slowly when i added a 512 card (only works above 512ram). but i bought a geforce 6200 and was perfect.
- Did you try to unplug some component (HDD, extra cards) to lower the power cost?
A:no all drives r connected and i need them all. i dont have extracard..maybe i do have a home-network card but i dont think it costs any power..lol, and i have an 'high-tech' USB card, i dont think it costs any power since has nothing connected. everything else has it's own powersupply.
Misc:
- Did you buy the game *cough*
A:well im used to not buy any games, but yeah i bought BF2, its not a fair question if i do have problems with every game, and certainly program. |
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answer below your questions
and i also sweeped PC, no zombies kozzy. (i dont use anti-virus, omg i shouldnt say this!)
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« Reply #12 on Aug 3, 2006, 9:25pm » | |
My attention went to the fact that you get new gfx card...if you could have a try with the old one and see if the crash keep coming...This will be an easy way to see if the problem comes from the card or not.
Also do you recive any error message in any game/program by any chance?
Do you get a crash if you watch a movie / listen music or use any low resources program (even if you told that this happened with big program..just to be sure)?
Also..i suppose you didn't overclock your card? 
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« Reply #13 on Aug 3, 2006, 10:08pm » | |
im begining to think yes, that is the gfx card.
i dont receive any message error, i did received more than once like 3 times, and they werent all related to this happening, that the windows recovered from a major error from the geforce 6200 like if the card had rebooted PC. Came once related to this problem, pc rebooted and when it restarted said 'system recovered from major failure: geforce...' in like..5times that rebooted the error just came once.
i dont get a crash where ever, seems that every program using alot of ram or alot of gfx memory crashes, cuz as i said it also crashed with DoD wich is very modest, i can try with UT if u want me to. (wich leads to my other doubt about the OpenGL,i remember having problems cuz of the OpenGL in the past)
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omg i found Everest diagnostic tool, amasing:
Field Value
Device Properties
Device Description XFX GeForce 6200 AGP Video Adapter
Bus Type AGP 4x
Bus / Device / Function 1 / 0 / 0
Device ID 10DE-0221
Subsystem ID 1682-2145
Device Class 0300 (VGA Display Controller)
Revision A1
Fast Back-to-Back Transactions Supported, Disabled
Device Features
66 MHz Operation Supported
Bus Mastering Enabled
AGP Properties
AGP Version 3.00
AGP Status Enabled
Supported AGP Speeds 1x, 2x, 4x
Current AGP Speed 4x
Fast-Write Supported, Disabled
Side Band Addressing Supported, Enabled
erm..my gfx card is AGPx8, dunno if that is a problem
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iv ran a cpu benchmark, everything was ok, when i ran a nvidia demo for gfx stress, after a while of playing with the fairy's face, the pc crashed.
so im 95% sure that its the gfx card.
what now? do i get a cooling system? do i get another gfx card? (buying new one would just bring more problems, imagine if that one would do the same as the one i have now, plus this gfx card is good enough)
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| | Re: HELP! might be ram problem
« Reply #14 on Aug 7, 2006, 4:33pm » | |
Using AGP 8x GFX in AGP 4x MB sould not be a problem acourding manufacturers, but actualy I have bad experience on that. I used to have same combination at home and it caused same problems as you describe Delf. I have changed the MB and system newer reboots or crashes any more.
but anyway I would reinstall OS first. I know you have 3 logical disks
1:/ - Win XP pro (you boot this OS)
2:/ -some storage no OS
3:/-Win XP home (outdated trail)
so copy all datas you need from disc 3 and format it. and install new OS to taht one (Win XP pro SP2 + all patches)
if yours discs 1 and 3 are at same psychyical HDD you have wath out to be able to boot booth OS
if not you just disconect HDD with 1:/ logical disk (cos you have no bios access to choose what dist is boot disk))
if you see that you dont need new OS any more you can simply reformat 3:/ again and use it as storage.
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